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		<title>Book 21/48: Wide Open Spaces by Jim Palmer</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A few days ago Anna and I watched a CNN presentation called Escape from Jonestown, which is about a cult lead by Rev. Jim Jones that lead 900 people into Guyana to a &#8220;promised&#8221; land that led to their eventual deaths, as everyone was poisoned with cyanide. Story highlights included: # In 1978, 909 Americans [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src="http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41rdkDaC1RL._SL500_AA240_.jpg" alt="wide open spaces" style="float:left;" /> A few days ago Anna and I watched a <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/11/12/jonestown.cyanide/index.html">CNN presentation called Escape from Jonestown</a>, which is about a cult lead by Rev. Jim Jones that lead 900 people into Guyana to a &#8220;promised&#8221; land that led to their eventual deaths, as everyone was poisoned with cyanide. Story highlights included:</p>
<p># In 1978, 909 Americans were led to mass murder-suicide by the Rev. Jim Jones<br />
# One-third of the dead at Jonestown were children; only 33 people survived<br />
# Jones led followers to their deaths after his gunmen killed congressman, others<br />
# Sources: Jonestown camp received monthly shipments of cyanide in 1976</p>
<p>Anyway, it was during this special that a few of the people that escaped this tragedy shared their experiences and what went on during those years. Many of them shared that it was their spirituality that led them out there, but now they avoid any sentiment of organized religion. They are still very spiritual people, but they do not think their spirituality could sustain any more from institutions. </p>
<p>I remember when Anna and I heard this, Anna and I looked at each other said, &#8220;I totally understand what their saying.&#8221; I mean I have never encountered anything remotely close to that, but of course they wouldn&#8217;t want to be anywhere near an institution in terms of religion. </p>
<p>And this is where I pick up this book by <a href="http://www.amazon.ca/Wide-Open-Spaces-Paint-number/dp/0849913993/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&#038;s=books&#038;qid=1227046759&#038;sr=8-2">Jim Palmer called Wide Open Spaces</a>. A book, without the tragedy of death, carries in it the death of Jim Palmer&#8217;s connection to organized religion. I noticed this in his last book, <a href="http://www.amazon.ca/Divine-Nobodies-Shedding-Religion-Unlikely/dp/0849913985/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&#038;s=books&#038;qid=1227048456&#038;sr=1-1">Divine Nobodies</a>, this consistent abandonment of organized religion for more organic structures of church and experience with God. But what seems to always preface these ideas, is a bad experience of church. For the Jonestown people I totally understand how they could never (hopefully not never) trust the church again, and I am noticing this same trend come out of US emergent writers mouths over and over again. There is something seriously devastating that has happened in many churches in the States that has seemed to effect a lot of people. Maybe it was the church, maybe it was a person in the church, maybe it was something that happened to the person personally while going to a church, but either way the organized church gets the blame for it and I guess it leads to lots of books about it. </p>
<p>With that said I am finding these books not very helpful in my journey as a church planter and although I get where these people are coming from, and it helps to know that people have been hurt, I find that these books are getting way too much credit, and there should be a movement of more positive reasons for <a href="http://www.amazon.ca/Organic-Community-Creating-Naturally-Connect/dp/0801065984/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&#038;s=books&#038;qid=1227048151&#038;sr=1-3">organic church</a>. You see I am all for different forms of organic church and not because I had a bad experience, but on the contrary because I have learned a lot about my Canadian Culture and my own ways of learning that have driven me to create a form of church that is contemporary to its neighbourhood.</p>
<p>So in the end I give this book my CP rating of 1.5/5. It&#8217;s maybe helpful if you have had a tough church experience in the United States, but if you are a church planter (and specifically in Canada) I don&#8217;t think you will be able to get through it&#8230; I sure had trouble.</p>
<p>Note: For a positive read on organic church, please read anything by Joseph Myers, and specifically <a href="http://www.amazon.ca/Organic-Community-Creating-Naturally-Connect/dp/0801065984/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&#038;s=books&#038;qid=1227048151&#038;sr=1-3">Organic Community</a> or my favourite, <a href="http://www.amazon.ca/Search-Belong-Rethinking-Intimacy-Community/dp/0310255007/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&#038;s=books&#038;qid=1227048582&#038;sr=1-1">Search to Belong</a>.</p>
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		<title>Book 15/48: Divine Nobodies by Jim Palmer</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 05:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I met Jim Palmer on a bus in the Bahamas on my way to a private island as a part of the first day of Soularize. He sat beside and me and was really nice, of course I was being very Canadian and didn&#8217;t say much back so I doubt he remembers, but anyway in [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src="http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/21N3fmiR6%2BL._SL500_AA180_.jpg" alt="divine nobodies" style="float:left;" /> I met <a href="http://www.divinenobodies.com/blog/">Jim Palmer</a> on a bus in the Bahamas on my way to a private island as a part of the first day of <a href="http://www.soularize.net/">Soularize</a>. He sat beside and me and was really nice, of course I was being very Canadian and didn&#8217;t say much back so I doubt he remembers, but anyway in one of his seminars he handed out his book and I grabbed it.</p>
<p>I started reading it a while back and couldn&#8217;t get past the first few chapters. I found myself in a period of life that wasn&#8217;t up for another &#8220;emergent&#8221; type book. But I decided to pick it up again just recently. I have to be honest&#8230;I almost put it down again. </p>
<p>Let me first say that the book is basically Jim&#8217;s journey from being a &#8220;successful&#8221; minister to falling apart (personally and professionally) to getting his soul back and the people who helped him on this journey.</p>
<p>The reason I had trouble getting through the first half was because of how much Jim talked about what it used to be like being in the big evangelical circles. I am not sure why he felt he needed to recall over and over how successful he was (even if it was drenched in sarcasm). There just seemed to be too much comparison happening. But the 2nd half I truly truly enjoyed. Jim&#8217;s honesty about his family, about ministry and about his friends (Richard, and especially Bill, wow that was an intense and well written chapter) was great and it felt like Jim changed tones. It was almost as if the first half was a reaction, and the second half was Jim just being himself.</p>
<p>At the end of the day the book is a testimonial read, with extra testimonies of friends of Jim who taught him along the way how to just be, not to try to achieve. In my CP rating I give it a 3/5, but I recommend it for anyone who is stuck in the &#8220;only professionals can be ministers&#8221; type mindset. If you do pick it up push through the first part, you wont regret it.</p>
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